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dr. benjamin carson is one of the most accomplished physicians in the entire world. despite accolades which include being award the presidential award of freedom in 2008 he was an unknown quantity to many americans until he stepped up to the podium last thursday morning and with the president of the united states sitting just steps away dr. carson eloquently and politely described his vision for are saving merckx. the perils of political correctness, education and the healthcare system and much more. take a look at a quick preview. >> one last thing about political correctness. which i think is a horrible thing, by the way. i'm very, very compassionate and i'm not ever out to offend any one. but pc is dangerous. because you see this country one of the founding principles was freedom of thought and freedom of expression and it muffles people. it puts a muzzle on them.

why is it so important that we educate our people? because we don't want to go down the same pathway as many other pinnacle nations that have preceded us. i think particularly about ancient rome. powerful. nobody could even challenge them militarily. but what happened to them? they destroyed themselves from within. moral decay. fiscal irresponsibility. they destroyed themselves. and if you don't think that can happen to america, you get out your books and you start reading. >> sean: we will have more of the doctor's speech as we continue tonight. not surprisingly whenever someone has the courage to speak truth to power particularly when it involves the president he or she quickly becomes a bit of a political lightning rod. that happened in the aftermath of dr. carson's comments with some pundits describing his actions as "disrespectful."

he will have the opportunity to respond to the critics and we will hear from the doctor on how to turn around the economy and restore credibility to the healthcare system and frank luntz will stop by with a group of voters who dialed the speech. do they think he will have a shot at some future at the white house? the sur price is answer lies ahead. we welcome author of "america the beautiful" and the director of pediatric new ro neurosurget johns hopkins university, dr. carson. >> thank you. good to be here. >> sean: you have gone viral. maybe not something you predicted in your life? >> usually in medicine when we think of viruses it is not a good thing. this one turned out to be very good because i have been overwhelmed by the responses. so many people are just the overjoyed to hear some common sense and i don't think that i put forth anything that is that intellectually challenging.

it is just that it is so much better than most of what we are hearing from washington that it seems like a great redeveloppation and the important thing i think is to begin the dialogue. you know, some people say you can't say something like that in front of the president. when did this become a months we are the people.narchy. the president works for us. this is a country that is for of and by the people, not for of and by the government. that is the big battle we are in right now and we need to make a decision with our eyes open which country do we want to be. >> sean: interesting because you made the comparison of ancient rome and said this could happen to america. is that something you fear? >> i definitely fear it because we are in very much the same position that they were in. so powerful. pinnacle nation in the world. no competition. going to be there forever. so they thought. and then all of the military

expansionism started. and capturing this group and this group. of course, that requires a lot of resources when you capture people to keep them under control. and they quickly began to run out of money. and then they are looking for any kind of scheme to get money from the people and the rich people they have a lot of money so let's come up with some schemes to get their money. and, of course, that erodes another aspect of confidence and creativity within your society and they just continued right down the path of destruction. >> sean: and that could happen here? >> it is in the process of happening. the real question is are we smart enough to stop it. with we actually learn from those who have gone before us or must we go down the same path as all of the people who preceded us and have done the same thing? >> sean: let's hope not. you used the phrase on neil cavuto's show and said somebody has to stand up to the bullies.

>> the bullies i'm talking about are the pc police. they come in many shapes and forms. certainly a lot of them in your business. [ laughter ] >> sean: i'm very well aware of the pc. >> the media who try to define what you are supposed to think. and unfortunately, i think it is the very thing that our founders were talking about when they said it is so important in our system of government it is based upon a well informed populous because if they are not well informed they are very easy to manipulate and all you have to do is look at some of the jay leno segments, man on the street. >> jay walking. my favorite. >> sean: by your background, amazing to me, your background. your mom was married at 13. one of 24 children. >> and you were troublemaker. >> i was perhaps the worst

student you have ever seen. i thought i was stupid. all of my classmates thought i was is stupid so there was general agreement. >> sean: that was in 5th grade. >> that was in 5th grade. fortunately for me my mother believed in me when no one else did and she just said benjamin you are much too smart to be bringing home grades like this. i brought them home anyway but she he was always saying that. one day she came home after being at work and being inspired by looking at all of the books that h her employers were reading and you said you are going to read books and stop watching so much television. she made a prediction which is really quite uncanny, she said if you start reading books one day people will be looking at you on television. hi, everybody. [ laughter ] >> sean: very well said. it was even deeper than that. she had a third grade education

herself. and you made a comment in that speech that she would look over your reports, you had to write a book report. >> she said we had to read two books apiece and is submit to h her written book reports which she couldn't read but we didn't know that. she would put chick marks and highlights and we he would think that she was reading them but you she wasn't. i hated it so much because everybody else was outside playing and having a good time. my brother and i were stuck in the house reading these books but after awhile i actually began to enjoy reading the books because even though we were desperately poor, i could go anywhere and be anybody and do anything. i began to read about amazing people. i read about booker t. washington. his auto biography called up from slavery. he was a slave and it was illegal for slaves to read. and that right there is a topic in and of itself that a lot of young people should be thinking

about why was it illegal for slaves to read? because the slave owners knew that if they could read they could liberate themselves and the same thing goes today. those young people who are not availing themselves of the educational opportunities are intentionally enslaving themselves. >> sean: the latin phrase for education to bring forth from within presupposes all of the kids were born with that talent and that is their gift. >> absolutely. >> sean: you had a particular talent in school where you could push people's buttons. i read a commencement speech you gave in 2007. that was a good talent of your yous. >> i would study my classmates to figure out what made them really angry because they were always calling me dummy so this is is the way i would get back at them. i would figure out what made them angry and irritate them and irritate them until they were about to explode but never push the last button until we were in the classroom and the teacher was nearby.

>> sean: stay there. a lot more to get to tonight. still ahead an open forum between the doctor and our forum. plus there is already talk about recruiting the dock for for potentially a 2016 run. we will talk in with frank luntz and the focus group. let's say he may have found some campaign volunteers for team carson. saving america continues, straight ahead.

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what about our taxation system? so complex there is no one who can possibly comply with every jot and til of our taxing. what we need to could do is come up with something that is simple. when i pick up my bible i see the fairest individual in the universe, god and he has given us a system. it is called tithe. we don't necessarily have to do it 10% but it is principle. he didn't say if your crops fail don't give me any tithes or if you have is a bumper crop give me triple tithes. there must be something inherently fair about proportionality. >> sean: after months of hearing the president lecture the rich about paying the so called fair share somebody stood up. it came when dr. carson issued a forceful challenge to the the

liberal approach to last week's national prayer breakfast. the doctor's comments were much more than meaningless bluster. he actually backed them up with facts and policy proposals including a flat tax. joining me now to talk about his approach to saving america's failing economy my guest for the hour, please everybody welcome back dr. benjamin carson. i'm curious. i don't know if any one asked you this question yet, what was the president's reaction personally to your speech. in did you talk to him? >> i talked to him afterwards and he came over and he was very gracious. said you know, thank you for your speech. he didn't say he enjoyed it but he did say -- [ laughter ] -- and he said he admired me. >> sean: i suspect you might have known that going in. let me play -- you said something in talking about the economy that really hit home with me. and that is about the deficit.

$16.5 trillion we have. >> that is a number that is so mind boggling and that is why i said if you counted one number, one number per second it would take you 507,000 years. more than a half million years. nd it isthat is just continuing to grow and we sit around and we talk about well, maybe we can keep it from growing further. we need to reduce it. and the way to reduce it obviously is to get the economy growing again. you know, it doesn't really do any good to keep taking from this tree or that tree and squeezing it down. you know, i talk -- i like paraables so in the book america the beautiful i give a paraable of two brothers put on desserted islands with their families and one -- they only ate trees and products of trees. one had the philosophy i'm

going to eat what i need and i'm going to let the others grow. pretty soon he had an entire forest. he had enough food forever. the other one as soon as a sampling game up he was on it and eating it and he and his family eventually starved to death. the same kind of thing if you keep taking and taking rather than creating a situation where you can go. you look at the fact we have the highest corporate taxes in the world and then we wonder we companies are going offshore. we need to go back to basic business school and understand that companies are there to earn money not to be social welfare organisms. >> sean: this is has said many, many times he was going to fix the debt and deficit and spoke earlier this week at the state of the union. let's go down memory lane here. >> what i have done throughout

this campaign is to propose a net spending cut and i want to go through the federal budget line by line, page-by-page, programs that don't work we should. >> the today i'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term are in office. >> ile use the money we are no longer spending on war are to cut down the went. >> what my opponent didn't tell you was that federal spending since i took office has risen at the slowest pace of any president in almost 60 years. >> sean: 6 trillion north debt since is he became new president. i'm not asking you a political question. it is more of a moral issue. you can't steal from your kids and grandkids. >> and years before world war ii is when it started

deteriorating. you will see lots of quotes in the book about what our founding fathers and some of our predecessors thought about sending debt to the next generation. that in fact it was immoral. we have completely foregotten about that now. >> sean: i think that is the defining issue of our time. >> it is. and the other thing is we need to create a situation that has everybody involved. everybody has to have skin in the game in order to make this work. we talk about a gal tarrian society. if everybody is paying according to their ability which is what the tithing system was, it proportional. if you make very little you pay very little tax but your skin is in the game. now, the reason that our government as it stands now doesn't like that is because if everybody has skin in the game it makes it a whole lot harder for you to raise taxes. now, you got to be accountable to everybody and can't just

make 1% or are 2% or 5% mad. >> sean: we will take a break and come back. when we come back, dr. carson will share with us his prescription for curing america's failing healthcare system. and then ben carson for president? that was a headline of a recent "wall street journal" editorial. are politics in the doctor's future? and frank luntz and the focus group dial the prayer breakfast speech. as "saving america" continues. we're glad you are with us. to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets.

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here is my solution. when the person is born give them a birth certificate and electronic medical record and health savings account to which money can be contributed pretax from the time you are born to the time you you die when you die you can pass it on to your family members so that when you are 85 years old and you got six diseases you are not trying to spend up amping. everything. you are happy to pass it on and there is nobody talking about death panels. >> sean: welcome back to the special studio audience edition of hannity. joining me is dr. benjamin carson. since his remarks he has become one are the leading voices against government run healthcare. again, like so many elected representatives in washington he is offering reasonable answers to help fix the problem. we welcome back dr. carson.

thanks for being here. >> absolutely. >> sean: you gave a commencement speech in 2007 and used a great analogy about if you give people their own accounts and used food stamps as a.b an analogy. people don't buy a porterhouse on day one. >> food stamps do save people's lives. probably it has been abused a little bit and gone beyond that point now but serves as a good model. when people get the month any allocation they don't go out and buy porterhouse steak the first five days and starve the rest of the month. they learn how to allocate. and if you make people responsible financially for their own health with their own health savings account believe me they are not going to run off to the emergency room where things cost five times as much. they will go to aic. the difference is in the clinic if they have a chronic disease,

hypertension or diabetes now you will get that under control, too, so you are not the back there in three weeks with another problem. it begins to make a great deal of difference. also with the health savings account you are going to develop a relationship with that healthcare provider. it is not this big nebulous third party. it is you and the provider and you are not going to allow the provider to say you need five ct scans when you only need one nor is he going to suggest that because it is coming directly out of your hsa and it will bring medicine more into the free market because people are now competing and this is the way it should be. >> sean: i have never been able to figure out, government never put our social security money in a lock box like they said they would. medicare is headed for bankruptcy. we talked about the debt, $16 trillion. why do you think so many people put their faith, hope, trust in

government to be the answer? and what do you think of obama care? >> i think we have been programmed unfortunately to become victims. and to think that somebody should be taking care of us. we have gone to a can donation to a what can you do for me nation and we start inkulcating that into people as an early age. you go to schools now and they don't want to give the outstanding academic award because everybody is outstanding and they don't want anybody to feel bad. give me a break. you start all of that stuff and. >> shannon: can'. >> sean: can't play dodge ball either, doc doctor. you can't keep store. >> you end up with a bunch of people that want occupy everything. >> sean: doesn't that go back to a lesson that you say your mother taught but about your control your savings and h

healthcare accounts. this is a way to help those that are poor and indigent. >> the government is spending healthcare dollars on intimate gent people. taking not all that money, only a portion of it but divvying it nupe people's hsas over which they now have some control would make a huge difference. will it be necessary to do some fine tuning and will it be necessary to create some encouragements for people who are not indigent to put money into the hsas, to encourage their employers to put money into the hsas? yes. these are all things that we can work out. what we need to do is get out of the frame work of as soon as somebody is saying something say no, that can't work and say, you know, that can work and here is how it can work and if we begin to put our minds together and understand the concept that we are aiming at and that is bringing some

personal responsibility in the healthcare arena, we can solve that problem. we got to get over the ideology of if we strain everything through an e&s de logical screen we will never make any progress. >> sean: how many people in the audience think if the 7th ares are tick plated -- articulated what dr. carson is saying. >> you are laughing. how many of you think maybe obama care wouldn't have passed? show the hands. a failure on the political opposition side of the debate. >> i don't know why there that is and why they are not coming up with the right kinds of answers here. >> sean: that dove tails perfectly into the next seth about your potential political future. carson 2016 has a nice ring to it? are politics in the doctor's future? frank luntz and the focus group dialed the remarks and wait

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>> sean: welcome back to this studio audience edition of hannity. we are focused on saving america with a special guest, dr. benjamin carson. the director of speeda pediatrc ty.urosurgery at johns hopkins many asked him to consider a run for office. that includes the wall street editorial board which published a column titled "ben carson for president." frank luntz recently convened a focus group of california voters and asked them to watch doctor's popular pore's speech.

>> the words have struck a cord with last americans. we are here with a group of swing voters and want to know ha they think of his language. before we go to them let's go to a clip that dialed particularly well. the red line represents swing republicans and the green line swing democrats on the defections fit and debt man does this guy score well. >> our deficit is a big problem. think about it. and our national debt $16.5 trillion. you think that is not a lot of money. tell you what, count one number per second which you can't even do because once you get to a thousand it takes you longer than second but one number per second you know how long it would take you to count to $16 trillion. 507,000 years. more than a half a million years to get there. we have to deal with this. >> clearly that language connected. now, tell me, dr. carson what was so powerful? give me a word to describe him. >> passionate. >> articulate.

>> sincere. >> bold and real. >> analyst cal. >> truthful. >> sincere. believable. >> provocative. >> is this the kind of guy that you want to see in politics? >> yes. >> why, yes? >> he speaks h his mind and he is very open minded and. >> why, yes? >> speaks for physicians i think. base iically. >> i liked his sense of fairness. i felt he was fair in what he was saying. >> what is it about him that cut across partisan lines. you never see that in politics these days? >> he seemed to genuinely care about what he was talking about. >> to me, he was just like me. just a regular ordinary person. >> do you think that he was too aggressive? the president was there. some people thought that it was inappropriate for him to say what he said. you are nodding your h head no. you think it was appropriate? >> i think it was appropriate. we can't keep candy coating everything. >> this is our country. >> that does that mean?

>> it belongs to all of us, not just to the people in washington. all of us. >> do you think that people in washington listen to you? >> no. >> do you think he listens to you? >> yes. >> he being? >> dr. carson? >> yes. >> so there is a language there. keep going. >> and like you said, it is not american to buy the your tongue to hold back and not say what you think. >> agree with that. >> yes. >> a good way to get out of the segment. there aren't many people right now, who have the language to connect to the the american people whether it is american values as you speak of or common sense as she spoke of but there is something about the doctor's message and delivery that really does connect across partisan lines. very impressive. back to you. >> sean: sounds like frank may i have found some carson campaign volunteers. talk about a possibility of the career in politics. talk to benjamin carson. how many of you would like to see dr. carson run? okay. that's everybody. what do you make of that?

>> well, i have always said that the only way i would go into politics is if god grabbed me by the collar and stuck me there. it is not something that has been an ambition of mine but i do have a great desire to get our populous educated because they will be able to desafer the truth from what is false. if we don't start doing that we will go down the same path as all of the pinnacle nations that preceded us. >> sean: i have read a lot of speeches you given in commencement speeches and elsewhere and i think you mentioned in this speech that doctors played a very pivotal role in terms of our founding and our framers. >> yes. >> sean: and you want to see doctors more involved in politics? >> i do because doctors and scientists learn to make decisions based on facts. they use empirical data as opposed to ide logs who don't

really have any facts to make their decisions on. >> sean: you retire in june. >> yes. >> sean: i'm mean hesitant to ask you this but i think i have to because it is on the table. are you you aligned with a party. in would you want to answer to you voted for for president? >> i'm an independent. >> sean: okay. >> and you know, i tend to align myself closer with parties that are doing things or advocating things that would be good for the country. and that should tell you who i voted for injury won't go any further than that. >> sean: okay. i will take -- any one want to take any bets? all right. when we come back, we will have a lot of fun. open all this up to the studio he audience and political strategists, journalists, medical experts and much more as they along with dr. carson offer up their solutions for

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>> sean: welcome back to this special studio audience edition of hannity. and dr. benjamin carson is with us. ready to take the audience questions? >> absolutely.

>> let's tart over here. jason. >> i wanted to ask about kids growing up in circumstances that you grew up in today. in the ghetto in particular? there are not enough adults? a leadership failure? a breakdown of the family? what is the problem? >> a combination of the things that you mentioned. a great family breakdown. when you look at the african american community, 70% of the babe yos are born out of wed lock. you are not supposed to talk about that because all family situations are supposed to be equal these days, right? they are not equal. that father is very much needed and pro deucing the right kinds of role models for the children and giving them a value system he because if you don't provide them with a value you system at home they are going to find it some where else and it may not be a good value system. so you combine that with the fact that when they go to school and many cases they are surrounded by a bunch of

politically correct people who begin to in docktry nate them in something other than the can do attitude and we have a problem. >> i'm not surprised a doctor like you who literally hass brain is of children in his hands with personal responsibility would be your first and foremost idea. you started talking about health savings accounts and skinning the game. how do you feel about the idea if patients knew what they were buying, how much a cat scan and mri cost. instead we have a system where all of this feeds together with physicians afraid of malpractice, afraid of being sued. so many tests are ordered unnecessarily. on the patient side they don't know what they are getting and on the doctor side they are afraid of not ordering it. what do you have to say to that? >> you look at all of the countries in the world we are the ones that have the big problem with malpractice. what is it that is here that

isn't everywhere else? the trial lawyers association. special interest groups. anything in our society almost that comes out of washington that doesn't make sense is attached to a special interest group. they have become as i alluded to in the speech the fourth branch of government. until we deal with that, we going to keep doing things that don't make sense. >> sean: jeanine? >> i want to thank you for your leadership. but you do know that the black liberal establishment is not going to be happy with you and i'm talking about the community activists, some of the pastors, some of the politicians and the black media because it is your story of success that they don't want communicated to the black community because thrive on talking about blacks are victims and need special treatment. i want to thank you for all you are doing for the leadership because we need more leaders such as yourself to communicate the story that america is an

exceptional country. >> i have heard from a lot of black leaders since this time who are thrilled with what i'm saying. i'm sure there are some that are not. people are starting to think for themselves. this is what i enjoy. black people, brown people, yellow people, think for yourself. don't be a puppet. >> so the government accountability office came out with a year end fiscal report back in january and they said that we need to start running surpluses of 1% over the next sen century just to keep the same debt to gdp ratio we have today. the senate can't even process a budget in the senate right now. how do we shift the narrative to start talking about surpluses? >> i think we would get surpluses almost immediately if we changed our policies. if we took away a lot of the burdensome regulations and dropped the tax rates. you would see money flooding

back into this place if we just gave people the kinds of incentives that they used to have and you look at what happened in this country when we didn't have an oppressive government and when we did encourage entrepreneurship. we just skyrocketed. it is all pent up right now ready to go. the money would be invested immediately if people didn't feel there was some nefarious government out there trying to get their money. >> and the money wouldn't be in the caymans as you mentioned in your speech. >> and north and south dakota and montana. all the shale out there. we could blow saudi arabia off the map economically. >> sean: i love not being pc. >> doctor, i'm taking care of my 93-year-old mom so we have a few doctors in our life. one left his practice not long ago for a concierge practice

and another is concerned about his practice and continue wan and h his role in his own practice. can you talk a little bit about how the obama care is affecting doctors in the medical community? >> yes. first of all, recognize that you have to go back and look at this historically. when medicare and medicaid first came along doctors who took care of those patients knew that they weren't going to make any money but they were okay with it because the insurance companies at that time did have to pay for the ones who did have insurance and just about every doctor, as dr. siegel can tell you had a percentage of their practice that was indigent and they didn't care. we have always taken care of those patients. but now because the margins are so narrow because the insurance companies can do what they want to do, they are not capability capabilitiable of doing that any more. i do think we need some insurance reform also because when you stop and you think about it, one of the major

pillars of our medical system are insurance companies that make money by denying people care. we need to deal with that situation because that is an inherent conflict of interest and i'm sure if we sit down and put our heads to it we can figure out a way that they can make an adequate profit and people can still be taken care of. remember, when we go to the h is sa situation the insurance companies will have a very different role. because they will just be doing bridge insurance and we also will have a way of taking care of catastrophic insurance. >> sean: we will take a break and come back. more with the studio audience and dr. carson on this special edition of hannity. ay? yeah. ♪ dad: you'll be fine, ok? girl: ok. dad: you look so pretty. ♪ i'm overprotective. that's why i got a subaru.

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>> sean: welcome back to this special audience edition of hannity. and dr. ben carson with us and we are taking questions. our good friend sandra smith of the fox business network. the lightning round because we don't have a lot of time. >> one of the biggest questions after listening to you tonight

has been an absolute pleasure. have we gone too far? do you think america can come back from where we are today? >> i do think that. that is why i wrote the book. i think we he have what it takes to do it. we are just going to have to speak up, that is the key. >> sean: jamie? >> january 2017 you have just been inaugural rated president of the united states. what would be the top legislative priorities? >> assuming that things are continuing the way they are now we got to get the economy working again because that will take care of the jobs. productivity rather than just mindlessle jobs. >> leslie? >> doctor, when you say things people don't want to hear usually there is an immediate effort to delegitimatize the speaker. were you concerned about that in that forum with that audience? >> i wasn't concerned. there is no skeleton that they can find. they are going to try. good luck. >> sean: you said at one of your speeches live a clean life and don't lie because you don't

have to worry about what you said three months guy. >> exactly. he's good. >> in the 1960s you had ronald reagan speaking out against socialized medicine for the am. a. only 23% of doctors belong to the ama and they grab those ones and say this represents the ama. enough said. >> i would like to know how you would solve this problem as a dock tar and a also as president of the united states. section 1311 of the law. >> the healthcare law. >> empowers the federal government for the first time in history to dictate how dock are tores treat privately insured patients even if you bought a plan like an aetna or cygna plan and paid for it yourself? how would you protect that doctor patient relationship.

>> from probably by rewriting the law. >> who in the current debate prenexts your values and views the most effectively of anybody in politics or public life? >> great question. >> i certainly enjoyed what senator rubio had to say last night. and i'm sure there are many up and coming young people, bobby jindal and we will just have to keep looking and hoping that people are courageous and forward thinking. >> heather? >> does the message of personal responsibility sell politically any more? we have seen president obama suggesting universal prekindergarten care basically telling parents it is not their responsibility to prepare their children for school but rather the governments. i don't think your mother would have bought that message. she understood it was for you to do that. seem to be expanding the things that the government can do instead of individuals. can a poll expectation stand up and say sorry, we are not going to give you any programs, it is

for you to take care of your life? can sell but weucuses sell but have to start talking about it. the politically correct police have silenced the debate. we have to create the debate again and the people in the middle will have an a-ha moment. >> the speech with the part about your mother touched me so deeply. as a mother of young boys and i'm wondering how can we best limit the government in the way that creates a million mrs. parsons raising up her sons and herself out of poverty prosperity.e for salmonella how do we do that. >> we become smart voters. a lot of people say there is a name i recognize. if you don't know more than that you probably should just not vote or need to go and teach yourself because you could be voting against your self-interests. >> do you think the president heard you? i was hoping that with everything that happened he